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Microsoft warns on Vista update

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Microsoft warns on Vista update
Published by honey5
25th February 2008
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Microsoft is warning Windows Vista users that a forthcoming service pack for the operating system may stop some third-party programs working.

The software giant has released a list of programs that may be broken by the SP1 update for Vista.

Most of the software hit by the upgrade are security programs that prevent Windows users falling prey to viruses, trojans and booby-trapped webpages.

The Windows Vista update will be released to the public in mid-March.

Update loop

Service Packs are among the biggest updates Microsoft issues for its various operating systems. The software firm said SP1 makes Vista more secure and reliable and introduces some new features.

The list of programs affected by SP1 is divided into three. Some will be blocked by the update, some will not run and others will lose some of their functions.


PROGRAMS HIT BY SP1

BitDefender AV
Fujitsu Shock Sensor
Jiangmin KV Antivirus 10
Jiangmin KV Antivirus 2008
Trend Micro Internet Security
Zone Alarm Security Suite
Iron Speed Designer
Xheo Licensing
Free Allegiance
NYT Reader
Rising Personal Firewall
Novell ZCM Agent

Of the 12 programs mentioned, six block viruses or keep an eye on the places someone visits online.
Microsoft warned that its list was not "comprehensive" and asked people to get in touch with the maker of any affected software to fix problems.

Although the update will become widely available in March, Microsoft is releasing it to business customers in February.

Microsoft has also been forced to withdraw an update to Vista that was required before Service Pack 1 could be applied.

Writing on the Windows Vista blog, Nick White, Microsoft product manager, said the company had withdrawn the preparatory update while it investigated.

Isolated reports suggest that some machines on which the preliminary update has been applied go into an update loop.

He wrote: "We are working to identify possible solutions and will make the update available again shortly after we address the issue."







Story from BBC NEWS:
Published: 2008/02/22 10:45:18 GMT
© BBC MMVIII


ho hum says it all i guess
honey x

 

 

By Jason1975 on 26th February 2008, 12:43
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I cant remember where I read it (PC Pro I think) but MS are so dissapointed with Vistas sales that they are looking to release it successor sometime in 2009. Sound familiar ( Win ME)?

 

 

 

By Quady on 9th March 2008, 19:23
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12 programs obversely you never saw the list for Windows XP which ran into the 100's n 1000's

About 100 million Vista licences or more have been sold so its not doing that bad.

Home Consumers might not see much reason to update or your hardware might not be compatible in which case you would need a new PC which will come with Vista.

Also if you was to walk in PC World and buy Vista Ultimate that would cost you near £300. If PC world was to offer the OEM version for £120 it would sell alot more copies and Vista Home Preimum OEM for £60.

There are reasons why PC World don't sell it but many online retailers do with hardware which can be a cheap £1 mouse.

 

 

By Jason1975 on 13th March 2008, 20:02
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OEM software is only supposed to be sold with new built PC's. Online resellers can sell it if you also purchase a core component such as hard drive, mobo, so on and so forth. The real problem with Vista though is that it is so power hungry. Sales have picked up over the last 6 months or so but campared to XP, sales were down nearly 60% in the first 6 months. 100m sounds like alot but compared to the number of PC's across the world, its a tiny percentage. Another problem with Vista is there is nothing to make the end user any more productive hence businesses are just not interested in changing, there is no reason to.

 

 

 

By funhat on 14th March 2008, 14:51
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OEM software is only supposed to be sold with new built PC's. Online resellers can sell it if you also purchase a core component such as hard drive, mobo, so on and so forth. The real problem with Vista though is that it is so power hungry. Sales have picked up over the last 6 months or so but campared to XP, sales were down nearly 60% in the first 6 months. 100m sounds like alot but compared to the number of PC's across the world, its a tiny percentage. Another problem with Vista is there is nothing to make the end user any more productive hence businesses are just not interested in changing, there is no reason to.
The problem that Vista is facing is that with any advancement in operating system comes along a need for increased hardware requirements to run as intended. There's a big problem where there's a huge reaction to Vista claiming that XP is far superior because it runs better, which perhaps is true on outdated hardware but every computer that is shipping with Vista can't be compared to outdated hardware.

Business are not adopting it because of the sheer complexity in upgrading the basis for your network. Staff training, bespoke applications, licensing tie ins etc are making it very difficult to actually do at present.

A large majority of the public aren't going to see a difference, because if it goes on the internet, does wordprocessing, edits pictures etc where's the justification in spending a couple of hundred quid on something for the asthetics.

The programs that SP1 will render inoperable is not the concern of Microsoft. They have, and continue, to make fundamental differences to their operating system to ensure that it is as secure as it can be. It is the responsibility of the software developers to make their software work. This is the problem that so many people cannot grasp, Microsoft make an operating system, it is the software companies responsibility to make their software work with it, not vise versa.

In terms of Windows 7, that's scheduled for release at the end of 2009, which will probably get pushed into Q1 of 2010. Vista has been around since early 2005 in various stages, by 2009 it will be ready to be repalced. Windows 7 is not just going to be a desktop replacement for Vista, it's going to be a unifying operating system for mobile devices, pda's, computers etc. Microsoft need to stick to their guns and shift away from supporting previous versions of Windows.

Lets not forget XP Service Pack 2 broke quite a lot of other programs too when that was released, not to mention the atrocious driver support when it was released. It's funny how none of this gets remembered.

 

 

 

 

By Jason1975 on 14th March 2008, 21:47
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The problem that Vista is facing is that with any advancement in operating system comes along a need for increased hardware requirements to run as intended. There's a big problem where there's a huge reaction to Vista claiming that XP is far superior because it runs better, which perhaps is true on outdated hardware but every computer that is shipping with Vista can't be compared to outdated hardware..


The problem is justifying it. If there is no real benefit other that it does "pretty" things then why waste RAM on doing these things?

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Business are not adopting it because of the sheer complexity in upgrading the basis for your network. Staff training, bespoke applications, licensing tie ins etc are making it very difficult to actually do at present.


But again, why upgrade to an operating system that shows no added benefits and in fact requires more resources to run? It doesn’t make financial sense to spend a fortune on upgrades, even if it is just the OS and not a new system if there is no increase in productivity/security.

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A large majority of the public aren't going to see a difference, because if it goes on the internet, does wordprocessing, edits pictures etc where's the justification in spending a couple of hundred quid on something for the asthetics.


Couldn’t agree with you more. The people that will see the benefits mainly are gamers because of DX10, and I have read some negative reports about that.

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The programs that SP1 will render inoperable is not the concern of Microsoft. They have, and continue, to make fundamental differences to their operating system to ensure that it is as secure as it can be. It is the responsibility of the software developers to make their software work. This is the problem that so many people cannot grasp, Microsoft make an operating system, it is the software companies responsibility to make their software work with it, not vise versa.


Again, absolutely agree. That is the purpose of releasing the beta versions so software developers can test and adapt their software to accommodate the new OS.

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In terms of Windows 7, that's scheduled for release at the end of 2009, which will probably get pushed into Q1 of 2010. Vista has been around since early 2005 in various stages, by 2009 it will be ready to be repalced. Windows 7 is not just going to be a desktop replacement for Vista, it's going to be a unifying operating system for mobile devices, pda's, computers etc. Microsoft need to stick to their guns and shift away from supporting previous versions of Windows.


I doubt it will be released before Q3 or more likely Q4 of 2010. The way Microsoft support its software is very fair. Cutting off after x amount of years is very sensible and will be a large part of why people stick to Windows. Imagine if every time a new OS came out the updates to the previous versions stopped and the end user was forced to spend £200-£400 just to continue using their software knowing that their OS was being updated with the latest security and critical updates.

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Lets not forget XP Service Pack 2 broke quite a lot of other programs too when that was released, not to mention the atrocious driver support when it was released. It's funny how none of this gets remembered.


Defiantly something I won’t forget.


I actually like Vista but I can’t justify the extra expenditure for no real benefit. XP is solid, has had all the bugs ironed out, runs everything I want and need it to, uses less resources than Vista does and I already have it. This is what I see Vistas main problems being, justifying the expense when XP just does it.

 

 

 

By funhat on 14th March 2008, 21:54
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The problem is justifying it. If there is no real benefit other that it does "pretty" things then why waste RAM on doing these things?
XP is so unsecure compared to Vista. UAC is a godsend, but people can't see past how annoying it is. SP1 is taking out a few nag levels on it, but overall it's a good few steps in the right direction. XP always was bad at handling accounts by having the main user of the computer as an administrator when they had no reason to do to, so vunerable considering you can get onto a lot of XP machines by changing the user to Administrator and the password being empty, that's just foolish.

If XP is working fine for you then that's ok, it's not like Vista is the be all and end all of operating systems. Personally, I've tried to go back to XP and I can't, it feels dated and I enjoy the Vista experience a lot more.

 

 

 

By Jason1975 on 16th March 2008, 16:09
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Securing the admin accounts is what should be done first and therefore should not be an issue although I fully appreciate what you are saying as the average user would not think about things like passwords and securing the admin account. Someone with any IT savy would sit in an environment behind a firewall and have a decent AV installed but not everyone does.

I use Vista on my work laptop and XP on my work and home PC and must say for day to day things there is not any real difference. I do watch the RAM on the Vista PC spike for no apparent reason though. UAC I personally found to be a bit annoying but it easy to see the benifits for the majority of users. I have Zonealarm security suite on my home PC and it does act in a very similar way but for some strange reason it doesnt bother me.

J.

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